Does philosophy have a future?

philosophy_dictionaryby Mark English

Anyone who claims that the writings of philosophers are pointless or unnecessary is immediately accused of philosophical naïveté. And so in order to avoid or counter the charge one has to do a bit of philosophy. Likewise, it’s difficult to articulate an anti-metaphysical stance without getting bogged down in something that looks a lot like metaphysics. In a sense, you’ve lost the battle before you’ve even begun.

However, what I wish to do here is not to prove or demonstrate anything but merely to articulate — tentatively and reflectively — some doubts and reservations I have about the nature and role of academic philosophy today.

Just to be clear: I accept that some of the questions which are seen as basic to philosophy and metaphysics are real and possibly important questions which can and should be thought about in serious ways. But I don’t know that this conviction necessarily entails a commitment to the institutional philosophical status quo.

There are, of course, different views regarding the scope and nature of philosophy and metaphysics and the relationship between the two. (The closeness of the relationship between metaphysics and physics is also a subject of dispute.) But traditionally metaphysics was seen, and is still seen by some, as a — or even the — core philosophical sub-discipline. I used to see it like this, in fact, but these remarks are not predicated on that assumption.

One of problems with philosophy is that — unlike in science — virtually nothing within the discipline is ever definitively resolved. Old approaches are routinely exposed as logically flawed or inadequate. But the usual pattern is that someone then comes along and finds that the original view can be salvaged with some small modifications and/or that the critique is also flawed.

Even something approaching Cartesian dualism has been resurrected from time to time. Karl Popper endorsed such a view, and he was not the last. As David Berlinski (whose PhD was in philosophy) put it in a discussion of consciousness: “Philosophers are confounded — by their irrelevance if nothing else. A few have been seen administering a number of discreet kicks to what appears to be the corpse of dualism: Get up, you fat fool, I need you.” [1]

The general belief within philosophy is that the process of collegial debate, discussion and review leads to a refinement or clarification of views and so to a progress of sorts. Refinement, yes. Clarification, I’m not so sure.

Often this process can all too plausibly be interpreted in one of two ways (or both — the ideas are not mutually exclusive): it can be seen as a cover for what is essentially an ideological battle; or merely as a competitive game, self-perpetuating and futile.

With respect to the former point, it is at one level extremely difficult to demonstrate that a particular philosopher’s arguments are influenced by his or her ideological or religious convictions; but on another level it is blindingly obvious that, say, Christians or hardline physicalists are motivated to find and defend arguments which accord with their beliefs. Likewise with social and political beliefs. But playing the philosophical game involves ignoring these issues (and so potential sources of bias) and any mention of them is considered irrelevant — just not philosophy. Such an approach reflects, I think, an outdated view of cognition and one that puts far too much faith in discursive reason.

The view that much philosophy is self-perpetuating and futile, a game of sorts which ends not when some kind of “truth” or resolution is finally arrived at but when people just get tired of that particular game and move on to another, has often been more or less acknowledged by philosophers.

Here is A.C. Grayling introducing a book comprised of some of his old papers on metaphysical themes. He writes:

“All the papers are of their time. Looking back at some of the earlier of them I am struck by how far the literature on each topic has accumulated, in some cases leaving the issues quite behind though they are by no means satisfactorily resolved. There are fashions and trends in philosophical interest, changes in which are frequently induced not by solutions and resolutions to problem areas, but by exhaustion of the resources and language for dealing with them.” [2]

Somewhat amusingly, he admits that his work on the realism-anti-realism question “will seem at first to strike this note” but that, as he didn’t agree with “the terms of the debate as it was then and still is commonly discussed” his contributions, at least, remain “direct and fresh.” (The thought occurs to me that his erstwhile antagonists may well see their own contributions in similar terms.)

More radical critiques of philosophical practice have, of course, been made. By Nietzsche, for example. Or Wittgenstein. Or Heidegger. Or Richard Rorty.

Rorty, for example, agreed with Pascal Engel’s characterization of the history of 20th-century analytic philosophy as “a sort of battlefield opposing various ‘realist’ and ‘anti-realist’ conceptions of truth,” but clearly tended to the view that “the battlefield has been trampled to a quagmire.” [3]

Another major 20th-century thinker who began his career in the analytic tradition and moved on into other areas was Isaiah Berlin. Others gave up philosophy for science.

In the end, I think a suitably perspectival view is called for: individuals decide for themselves which intellectual activities (if any) they wish to pursue and which they deem — from their own point of view at least — to be futile.

This kind of relativism — as distinct from the sort of relativism which puts mythical thinking on the same level as scientific and logical thinking, for example — is benign. It harms no one and also tends to discourage proselytizing.

My general position is that I look to the sciences for knowledge of how the world works and don’t really feel that professional philosophers can tell me anything I want to know. I know a bit of philosophy myself, and it’s possible I’m taking this knowledge for granted and undervaluing it. But I just don’t have the sense that it amounts to a coherent discipline.

Philosophy I have doubts about, but not (certain forms of) philosophizing. Philosophizing I see simply as a form of meta-thinking. Meta-thinking about mathematics and the scientific disciplines (and other disciplines, such as history) is done as a matter of course by practitioners of those disciplines when they reflect, for example, on their particular discipline’s scope and nature, or the meaning of its key concepts, or its relationship to cognate areas. And the value of this kind of thinking is self-evident.

But areas like metaphysics (when detached from the study of physics) or epistemology (when detached from relevant sciences) are in my view more problematic.

It’s clear also that areas relating to human values such as ethics pose problems. And though I see value in applying reason to ethical questions and dilemmas and even in seeing them within the context of various theoretical ethical frameworks, I resist the idea that normative ethics can operate as a rigorous intellectual discipline, if only because questions about the rightness or wrongness of certain actions or the relative importance of particular virtues or character traits are not purely intellectual questions.

Though there is educational value in the sorts of courses traditionally taught under the banner of philosophy, other subjects — like mathematics and the sciences and mastering one’s native language — are clearly (in my opinion) more important. Which leaves philosophy to compete with the likes of literature, foreign languages, music and history.

Part of the problem is that philosophy today lacks, as I suggested previously, coherence as a discipline. Arguably it had more coherence when it was perceived — as it was until the fall of German idealism about a century ago — to have a metaphysical core. Metaphysics thus conceived was important not only in itself but also as a source of and justification for ethical and political and aesthetic doctrines. And the metaphysics, as Whitehead famously asserted, often harked back to Plato.

I realize that this is just one strand (albeit a major one) of the Western philosophical tradition. But it was perhaps the only major strand that was never going to morph into a science or (like logic) a formal or technical discipline.

For so much of what was considered philosophy in past eras has become science, leaving the old discipline looking to many eyes rather sad and depleted. Psychology and related disciplines were seen as philosophical as recently as the early 20th century but of course no longer are. Even logic is claimed by mathematics. And argument and reasoning and debate — which are often put forward as essentially philosophical — have been taught at high school level for centuries as a component of the English (or other primary language) curriculum.

One other area of concern relates to the complex relationship which continues to exist between religion and philosophy.

Many of philosophy’s iconic figures were religious. Plato was heavily influenced by the Pythagoreans; Plato’s Socrates, still a model for many philosophers, not only believed that concepts have some kind of essential meaning, but also clearly had supernatural beliefs. (He was guided by his daimon, for example.) Even Aristotle’s thought is strongly influenced by what are generally (and I think rightly) seen as completely discredited teleological and other metaphysical notions. Descartes was a believing Catholic. Spinoza was a mystical thinker. Leibniz was religious. Kant’s writings are deeply marked by his Pietism. Hegel was a Christian. Wittgenstein was a Christian and a supernaturalist in the manner of Pascal or Dostoevsky.

The philosophical canon includes of course many skeptical as well as religious or Platonistic thinkers. But often they were only writing to counter essentially religious doctrines.

And even the very notion of a canon is suspect, suggesting a religion-substitute (like the progressive 19th-century idea promoted by Matthew Arnold of replacing the Christian scriptures with secular literary works).

Canons are also necessarily contingent and arbitrary. What do all these people we happen to call philosophers have in common that will allow us to meaningfully distinguish them from scientists or other kinds of intellectual?

Philosophy can be seen not only to have arisen from religion in a historical sense but also to be — as a modern, independent discipline — still strangely dependent on it. There are funding issues involved here and little doubt that academic philosophy is cleverly exploited by churches (and other ideological groupings for that matter) [4], but perhaps even more important than this is the extent to which the agenda of philosophy has been determined, directly or indirectly, by religious ideas.

Sure, sections of the philosophical community seek to undermine religious belief, but often the topics discussed (in popular forums and undergraduate contexts especially) relate in some way to religious ideas. Examples that come immediately to mind include Euthyphro-type arguments against a divine command view of ethics, classical arguments for the existence of God, and free will (the very term is taken from Western theology via the Late Latin liberum arbitrium). More sophisticated thinking in philosophy, of course, engages with science and advanced logic and mostly leaves the theological trappings behind, but the origins of many of the key problems still lie, I would suggest, in religious modes of thought.

Whether this means that there would be no philosophy or just a very different kind of philosophy in societies which had lost all meaningful connections with their deep cultural and religious roots I am not sure, but there are certainly many examples in Western history of philosophy thriving during periods when religion was also thriving (albeit often in a creative tension with religion). Both the Vienna Circle and the Polish logicians of the early-to-mid-20th century flourished in the context of broader cultures in which traditional religious beliefs and practices jostled with newer forms of spirituality and mysticism.

Likewise, the philosophical ferment in France in the latter part of the 19th and early 20th century was to a large extent precipitated by the rise of the so-called Modernist movement within the Catholic Church and the clash between Modernism and more traditional approaches to religious thinking. For example, Pierre Duhem — a French conventionalist whose views influenced the Vienna Circle as well as Quine — can only be properly understood when he is seen in the context of late 19th-century France.

It takes a while to get one’s bearings when one is studying eras other than one’s own, especially where (as is very often the case) religious commitments are implicit if not deliberately hidden or disguised. Duhem’s private correspondence, for instance, clearly shows that he was driven in his philosophical work by a passionate commitment to traditional religion. He saw himself primarily as an apologist, using the secular (philosophical) language of those seeking (as he saw it) to undermine traditional religion in order to counter those threats.

You could argue that there is no necessary connection between Duhem’s philosophical ideas and his motivations and religious affiliations. But it seems very clear that the idea that convention or convenience (convenance) plays a large role in determining the shape and nature of scientific theories can be used (as it often was) explicitly or implicitly to defend religious and other non-scientific outlooks or views of the world. Seen historically, French conventionalism — whatever its intrinsic merits as a general framework for discussing scientific and mathematical ideas — was devised by religious thinkers (such as Duhem and Édouard Le Roy) as a defense of religion or religion-like ideologies. (Le Roy’s views prefigured those of his friend and associate, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, by the way. Both men’s views were pretty wild and mystical.)

Not all conventionalist thinkers or those who drew on them took this line, of course. Quine and most Vienna Circle members certainly didn’t. But many associates of the Circle did take this approach, sometimes explicitly identifying with the French tradition. [5]

The case of conventionalism illustrates some of the ideological and religious complexities which can underlie philosophical activity, but my general claims about the relationship between philosophy and religion remain tentative and speculative.

I am definitely not claiming that philosophy is necessarily religiously oriented, only that it thrives in a broader environment that is. Why this may be I cannot say, but I am increasingly inclined to the view that the presence in a society of a critical mass of people who are committed to religious or mystical ideas tends to create a space for non-scientific but rationally-informed discourse about “the nature of things.”

Many other periods of Western intellectual history could be cited in support of this general view but the late-19th and early-20th century offer a particularly rich and fertile source of illustrative examples, especially, I would say, from amongst the ranks of the Vienna Circle thinkers, their precursors and associates. And it is certainly not implausible to suggest that all that marvelous creative intellectual activity was in some sense a response to various religious or otherwise supernaturalist movements which had built up considerable momentum over the course of the 19th century.

But though the idea that philosophy may be, as it were, parasitic upon religion challenges what has become the standard view of philosophy as a discrete, self-contained and entirely secular discipline, it does not entail a belief that the discipline is doomed. If it is indeed doomed, it is doomed for other reasons, because religion is certainly not going to disappear any time soon.

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Mark English has an interest in aspects of 20th-century European social and scientific thought and, more generally, in ideology, language, and the scope and nature of science. He holds a PhD in philosophy from Monash University, and blogs at Language, Life and Logic.

[1] The Advent of the Algorithm. San Diego, CA.: Harcourt/Harvest, 2001. p. 274.

[2] Truth, Meaning and Realism. London: Continuum, 2007. p. vii.

[3] Taken from a review by Richard Rorty of Pascal Engel’s book Truth.

[4] This is not a well-documented area, but here is something I posted last year which includes relevant excerpts from a piece by Nathan Schneider on the broader topic of the Templeton Foundation.

[5] For example, Louis Rougier, who was the only significant French thinker to have strong links with the Vienna Circle, had deep roots in conventionalism and was more sympathetic to religious modes of thought than most of his Austrian and German associates. Also the Polish philosopher-logicians Jan Lukasiewicz and Kazimierz Ajdukiewicz were both influenced by the French tradition, and both had strong mystical or religious convictions which colored their writings on epistemology and science.

217 thoughts on “Does philosophy have a future?

  1. If this is aimed at mainstream academic philosophy then it seems very fair.

    How sad, though, that yet again the muddle that is ‘western’ academic philosophy is cited as a reason to doubt the usefulness of philosophy, rather than as merely a reason to reject this approach to it. It means that progress is out of the question. Footnotes to Plato forever.

    It seems noteworthy that Taoism was a philosophical doctrine for perhaps five hundred years before it degenerated (to a degree) into a religion, and that Buddhism is often accused of being a philosophy or science of mind and not a religion. So which is parasitic on which seems moot to me, and perhaps it varies with the individual.

    At any rate, I don’t think we have to be a religious person to want to know whether, say, Materialism is true, or whether universe is infinite, so metaphysics need not be motivated by an interest in religion and may just as often be motivated by an interest in science. Presumably it is always motivated by an interest in metaphysical problems, and they will arise for any fundamental theory regardless of how we define religion and science or which of them most interests us.

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  2. Hi Mark,

    Really an excellent essay. You outline some potential problems with philosophy as currently constituted, but wisely preface your criticisms with appropriate caveats. It is clear that you are offering food for thought rather than making strong claims, and as such I hope your post is welcomed by all.

    I think the thesis that philosophy thrives in the presence of religion is very interesting. As an atheist, my own predjudice or bias perhaps leads me to jump to the conclusion that this is because religious belief is unwarranted and so needs to be rationalised with philosophical arguments which invite counter-arguments. I’m sure many of the other commenters on this webzine would say the same of my apparently unwarranted beliefs.

    I do think there are some metaphysical questions which are excellent topics for philosophical debate. These are important, substantive questions which can in my view only hope to be resolved (at least in the minds of a few) by philosophical argument and can never be resolved empirically. Such questions include what is the universe and why does it exist (which I would answer with the Mathematical Universe Hypothesis) and what is consciousness (which I would answer with computationalism). Some debate on these topics on recent threads got us precisely nowhere, but I am left feeling that this had as much to do with the format of the debate as with anything else. I think the debate within the academy between committed experts works better, although perhaps not by much.

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  3. Philo seems increasingly like alchemy – magically hoping to turn words and everyday language to the “gold” of explaining the world and human behaviors. It cannot be true. Maybe once that hope was more realistic. Actually, it was all we had!

    It can’t be true that both, philosophy will be relevant and continue to fall behind in engaging with the biological sciences – especially brain science. The mining of advanced physics and cosmology, as the only science philosophy engages with, seems “tapped out” and repetitive now.

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  4. A balanced and reasonable assessment of the status of philosophy as a mode of intellectual inquiry. I take a more radical view in my book (link below), namely that the discourse of any purely theoretical discipline (such as philosophy) is semantically indeterminate, in the sense that there is considerable and irremediable uncertainty as to what (if anything) it means. Philosophy may still have value as a literary genre (where precise semantic determinacy is not generally required, allowing for a degree of subjectivity in interpretation); but that would not satisfy most analytic philosophers, who hold philosophy up (unrealistically) to the standards of linguistic precision found in the sciences.
    My book’s URL – http://whyphilosophyfails.com/

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  5. “Much philosophy is self-perpetuating and futile, a game of sorts which ends not when some kind of “truth” or resolution is finally arrived at but when people just get tired of that particular game and move on to another.”

    This brings forward interesting questions. I’m a newbie when it comes to philosophy, and I was recently watching a lecture by David Chalmers called Why Isn’t There More Progress In Philosophy? I was shocked to find out about the lack of consensus on some major philosophical issues. They have conducted an interesting, albeit informal survey which shows What do philosophers believe? Apparently there is little convergence on the big questions, with the exception of non-existence of God. Thank goodness they agree on something. To be fair, the problem is not as simple as it looks. Chalmers explains in the second part, how it’s not just the matter of not reaching a consensus, where many sociological and other complex issues are also involved.

    I don’t much agree with the other point of this essay, about the relation of philosophy and religion. Much philosophy has its historical roots in religion, but the same can be said about anything, like science as well. However, I tend to think skills such as critical inquiry and rational thinking which are integral to the discipline of philosophy are surely inimical to religious faith. From personal experience, I can say that there is much less religious inclinations or sympathy amongst people acquainted with some analytical philosophy than those who are only proficient in their specialized field, be it engineering or sciences.

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  6. I agree with quite a bit in this essay. Often when I see people get in debates about the value of (theoretical) philosophy (as with the fallout from Neil deGrasse Tyson’s comments), there isn’t much attention paid to distinguishing between the value of asking what might be called “philosophical” (as opposed to “scientific”) questions, and the value of *academic philosophy* as a distinct enterprise in universities.

    As you point out, the kinds of philosophical questions that are most obviously relevant to a scientist (or, more generally, somebody who is interested in knowing about the world and our place in it) are the the kinds of “meta-thinking” questions about the nature of knowledge, evidence, explanation, causation, method, etc. But reflective scientists can (and do) discuss these things whether or not there is a separate philosophy department. Similarly, I see a number of people defend the value of philosophy by pointing to work in, say, philosophy of biology/physics/mind/language that essentially sits on the border of theoretical biology/physics/cognitive science/linguistics. As with the meta-questions, it’s not clear to me how much we would lose if such philosophers instead worked as theoretically-inclined members of those other disciplines.

    That being said, I have a couple of minor objections:

    >>In the end, I think a suitably perspectival view is called for: individuals decide for themselves which intellectual activities (if any) they wish to pursue and which they deem — from their own point of view at least — to be futile. This kind of relativism…is benign. It harms no one and also tends to discourage proselytizing.

    Unfortunately, I think academic philosophy NEEDS some degree of proselytizing in order to survive. Not many students see the value of philosophy, so enrollment is low many universities. Combine that with the fact that many administrators don’t see an obvious value to philosophy, and it’s no surprise that some philosophy departments are getting shrunk or cut altogether. So while the perspectival view you call for is perfectly reasonable, I think academic philosophers need to be engaged in some kind of active proselytizing – not at the level of attracting more PhD students and aspiring professionals, but at the level of getting students and administrators to see the value of the discipline (if there is any).

    >>The closeness of the relationship between metaphysics and physics is also a subject of dispute….Areas like metaphysics (when detached from the study of physics) are in my view more problematic.

    I totally sympathize with your concerns about the relationship between metaphysics and the NATURAL SCIENCES. However, it’s not obvious to me why you think PHYSICS in particular has some special relation to metaphysics (I see many other people make this assumption, which is why I’m picking it out). For example, an old question of metaphysics concerns the classification of things into different KINDS, and it’s very natural to think that chemistry and biology have something important to offer here. Metaphysics is also traditionally concerned with the nature of CAUSATION or EXPLANATION, and if chemistry and biology (not to mention psychology or economics) reveal that there are different equally robust “levels of explanation”, then that ought to be of interest to metaphysicians.

    I suspect that the assumption that physics is more relevant to metaphysics than the other natural sciences is due to a narrow conception of what scientifically-informed metaphysics could be (perhaps it is the product of an obsession with what is most “fundamental” in some vague sense). Sometimes I think the assumption is due to nothing more than the fact that the word “physics” appears in “metaphysics”.

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  7. “As an atheist, my own prejudice or bias perhaps leads me to jump to the conclusion that this is because religious belief is unwarranted and so needs to be rationalised with philosophical arguments which invite counter-arguments.”

    Very neatly put DM. You are doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing, but admitting it at the same time. It only goes to show that prejudices and bias are the death of philosophy.

    Why not abandon the prejudices and do the sums?

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  8. “…to want to know whether, say, Materialism is true, or whether universe is infinite, so metaphysics need not be motivated by …”
    It is amusing that the second of these, “universe is infinite” is a logical consequence of most tentatively accepted theories of inflation. And the first would be true (in a more general form than usual) if Tegmark’s MUH turns out to be scientifically meaningful. So those examples are weak, from many scientists’ point of view, as any kind of motivation for metaphysics. The answers might easily be simply scientific answers.

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  9. I am definitely not claiming that philosophy is necessarily religiously oriented, only that it thrives in a broader environment that is.

    I would have to see some better evidence for this.

    I would suggest that philosophy thrives more in a broader environment of scientific and mathematical curiosity. There have been large swathes of time when religion held the stage and philosophy was nowhere to be seen – the Dark Ages for example.

    The rise of science in the late Middle Ages brought with it a resurgence of philosophy.

    The Vienna Circle thrived and collaborated with the major figures of the scientific and mathematical revolution of the early 20th century.

    So I would like to see a lot more and better evidence before philosophy is traduced as some kind of a handmaid of religion.

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  10. Because it’s not so easy to abandon the prejudice. I am admitting I have prejudice because this is the intellectually honest thing to do, however I cannot abandon my prejudice so easily because I am genuinely convinced I am right, and I don’t think I am any more prejudiced than anyone else. All I can do is to try to seek out reasons why I might be wrong, and that’s why I value debate with those who disagree with me.

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  11. Hello Armin. I would advise you not to learn about philosophy from someone who admits he does not understand it. It is not a sensible strategy. I explain why there has not been more progress in philosophy in a long essay archived on Chalmers’ site, which I presume he either has not read or does not understand. The answer is staring him in the face.

    Philosophy is not useless. If it appears that it is, then it is our approach and our theories that are useless. It is precisely the task of philosophy to identify theories that do not work, and there is every reason to believe that it does the job perfectly well.

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  12. Hi Ben. If you ever feel like having your mind changed I’m up for having a go. But not here.

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  13. That’s a great response. Fair enough. But not consistent with atheism. If you’re still not sure your theories are right, then you are agnostic.

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  14. I call myself an atheist because I feel as subjectively sure that I am right about there being no God as I am sure about anything. But there are lots of people who disagree, so I am interested in listening to and learning about their reasons for their beliefs. I have been thinking about and discussing this for long enough that the probability of my changing my mind at this stage is very low (since there are presumably few arguments I have not already considered), but it’s always good to learn where other people are coming from.

    But yes, you could be right that the term agnostic would be a better fit, technically. I disagree, but that’s a long-running debate and has very little to do with the post so let’s leave it for another day.

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  15. If you concede that philosophy is a branch of the humanities, rather than the science of reason or the study of a higher reality or some other disguised religious idea, then the value of philosophy is essentially the same as any study in the humanities. As wonderful and useful as the conjoined twins of science and technology are, every bit as wonderful as truth, we live because we have emotions.

    Our emotions and theirs are subjective experiences to be shared as much as possible, Academic philosophy properly oriented is something like English, identifying and explicating the “best.” (English the best literature and drama, for philosophy the best wisdom collected by the ages.) In both cases, it is arguable that prescriptivism and elitism are besetting sins and the finest achievements are rather tediously empirical and popular? I can’t think of a simple verbal formula that will serve as a touchstone to answer that question, so let me move on?

    Viewed as a field of rhetoric, philosophy is the appeal to reason in particular, part of rhetoric’s appeal to the whole person, which also includes the emotions. As such, philosophy is inextricably linked to the imaginative appeal to the empathy of the debaters and judges. As the post points out, as such there is a permanent need for this in the curriculum. Nor is there any less need to understand debate after high school. This particular aspect of rhetoric appeals to the “meta-thinking” of course. No debate worthy of attention limits its discourse arbitrarily. In this role, philosophy serves (potentially at least) as a kind of natural language discourse that connects truths about the world discovered by science and technology to our on going debate (where it can be found) about what we want to do.

    I would no more call for the abolition of this kind of philosophy than call for the abolition of high school rhetoric. (Even if I might consider projects for reform?) I know that some philosopher’s might find it demeaning to be a kind of highbrow popularizer of the philosophy of this or that science or whatever. They’d rather be seen as fundamentally engaged in the science’s meta-thinking. But in practice, successful advances in the meta-thinking of a field come from the actual practitioners. And the only philosopher of this or that who come close to contributing were trained in the field, which training was the source of any contributions. There is a speculative element to philosophy of course. Speculation can serve science and technology as a source of ideas. But, let’s face it, good science fiction can fulfill this role. Possibly better.

    But I must disagree with the post. I think philosophy oriented around secularized versions of religious concepts are deeply apologetic. And I think that kind of philosophy is profoundly detrimental to public discourse. I would even say much is maliciously obscurantist in a socially functional way…for some. The malice is not a personal attribute of the philosophers! This is clearest I think in the case of political philosophers, where most sensible people (I hope) realize that denying apologetic functions are absurd. And so is simply reducing everything to the political philosopher’s personal psychology and morality.

    A couple of quibbles about the post. Having some background in history, I would be very careful in saying that Isaiah Berlin moved on to other fields. I would say he just moved out of academic philosophy. There are scientific approaches to history and my judgment is that Berlin knew nothing of them. Berlin is very much in the camp that treats history as a branch of the humanities. You may argue about the value of his work I suppose but you would be unwise to consider it good history in a scientific sense. I’m afraid I do mean that in a sense that includes some very basic ideas about critical judgment. Second quibble is about Spinoza. Spinoza’s treatment of the Bible was an example of scientific approach, not a mystical one.

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  16. I think it’s somewhat defensible to maintain on philosophical grounds that philosophy is too hopelessly mired in intuition and semantic confusion to be useful, the only caveat being that you do so without any expectation of convincing anybody.

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  17. It was Socrates that held to the notion of the “art of love” and that the philosopher did not have wisdom, but that philosophy was the “love of wisdom”. To me that actually sums it up quite well. I agree that academic philosophy per se has gone through its ups and downs. With the failure of all those philosophers in the wake of Hegel in the nineteenth century to establish a common ground, Idealism and along with it speculative philosophy fell apart into our Continental and Analytical modes in the 20th Century. Yet, as with all things, there have been those like Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, etc. that have existed outside and independent of the academy who have followed this path toward wisdom, too. I’d consider myself one of those outside the institutional realms who have pursued the love of wisdom and kept pace with philosophy. Even now in the wake of speculative realism, Badiou and Zizek, Meillassoux, Brandom, Negarestani, and a hundred other variations from both process philsophers stemming from Whitehead to those after like the neo-Kantians (Sellars, et. al.). unto versions of Object Oriented philosophy to new materialism, etc. Philosophy is still alive and kicking, so I don’t see it going away anytime soon. Like Mark Twain once said: “Reports of my death have been quite exaggerated.”

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  18. DM,
    you could be right that the term agnostic would be a better fit
    Sorry, DM, I could not disagree more with your self-assessment. One cannot possibly call a dyed-in-the-wool contrarian an agnostic. The terms are mutually incompatible. Mind you, that is not a criticism. As a fellow, life long contrarian, I admire the spirited way you challenge the establishment. Now if only I could persuade you that it is anti-establishment to be a Catholic then you and I would really be on the same side 🙂

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  19. Just some comments focusing on one paragraph in particular:

    “For so much of what was considered philosophy in past eras has become science, leaving the old discipline looking to many eyes rather sad and depleted. Psychology and related disciplines were seen as philosophical as recently as the early 20th century but of course no longer are”

    Yes, psychology is an offshoot of philosophy, developed as certain scientific methods became applicable to certain investigations concerning the mind/brain. But it seems that there are still more speculative ‘frontier’ areas of mind/brain investigation that are legitimately tackled by the philosophy of mind.

    “Even logic is claimed by mathematics”

    Not sure about this. Logicians still occupy philosophy departments worldwide and philosophical motivations are still very much there. Developments in philosophical logic such as modal logic have gone on to be applied in computer science for example.

    “And argument and reasoning and debate – which are often put forward as essentially philosophical – have been taught at high school level for centuries as a component of the English (or other primary language) curriculum.”
    So yes, the basics of an essentially philosophical topic are incorporated elsewhere. Isn’t that a good thing for philosophy and might also lead to further in depth study of the topic?

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  20. Philosophy’s primary role in the future is to be more of a player not in “What do we know?” but in “What do we do?”

    One way to look at that: Philosophy should be more involved with the articulation of politics and social policies than it seems to be today.

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  21. “…to want to know whether, say, Materialism is true, or whether universe is infinite, so metaphysics need not be motivated by …”
    It is amusing that the second of these, “universe is infinite” is a logical consequence of most tentatively accepted theories of inflation. Has the history of metaphysics had any real contributions to that question? I ask this with no implication intended one way or the other here, as my knowledge of academic philosophy is very small.
    As to materialism, too big a topic perhaps, so this alternative reply now avoids that.

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  22. // Reposting arguments from G+ (http://goo.gl/zUI8Ur)

    This is a really poor argument. It doesn’t try to engage in any contemporary philosophical discussions and looks only at the history, and Duhem in particular, to show that philosophy is connected to religious ideas. The result is utterly unconvincing.

    Consider an analogous argument:

    “Science has deep historical roots to religious ideas. Much of modern science is influenced by Newton. But Newton spent more time writing about religion than science, and Newton’s conception of science was deeply influenced by his religious beliefs. And yet almost every modern science textbook refers to “Newtonian mechanics” at some point. Clearly science is dependent on religion, and therefore has no future.”

    The argument is completely unconvincing.

    I’m saying this as someone who has written publicly about the prevalence of religious thought, and of Christian theology in particular , infecting philosophical discussions. I’m mostly worried about the influence of religious ideas on philosophical discussions of metaphysics and ontology.

    http://digitalinterface.blogspot.com/2013/10/pinhead-philosophy.html

    But to demonstrate this influence, the vague appeal to history is simply insufficient. What you need is good sociology, or what today goes by the name ‘digital humanities’.

    Specifically, consider the co-citation network in ontology: http://goo.gl/Se8ptx

    This is from Andrew Higgins et al (2013), which you can read here: http://goo.gl/JU0avd

    The important thing to notice about the network is how it clusters. There’s a major cluster in the center around Ted Sider, and another in the south around Barry Smith, and another in the north around Shapiro and Wright. The Smith cluster represent discussions in formal and applied ontology, whose work connects with the science in those domains (medicine, etc); the north cluster are mostly the ‘structural realists’ whose work is informed by physics and mathematics and also has deep connections to science.

    But the center cluster, around Sider, is mostly isolated from everything: not only from the scientists, but also from the other philosophers! And it’s no surprise that the most vocal Christian philosophers in this field (van Inwagen, Merricks, etc) are almost exclusively in that cluster. Effectively, the analytical metaphysicians have set up an echo chamber of publications, talking almost exclusively with themselves, and their discussions have begun to stray arbitrarily from the mainstream of scientific discussions.

    The same goes for discussions of free will, God, the problem of evil, etc. A very small niche of philosophers, mostly isolated from the mainstream of philosophical discussions (and housed in academic religious sanctuaries like Notre Dame, Fordham, etc), have created enough academic activity among themselves to present the air of legitimacy, when in fact their work is utter ideological drivel. If we’re going to target any group of philosophers, this is the group we want to target.

    Making blanket statements about the entire field of philosophy, especially when zero empirical evidence or actual philosophical discussions are considered, is exactly the wrong response to this situation. We need the techniques of the digital humanities precisely because it allows us to focus the discussion precisely, using empirical evidence that anyone can see to draw the obvious conclusions about bias or corruption within an academic field.

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  23. Hi guymax,

    But not consistent with atheism. If you’re still not sure your theories are right, then you are agnostic.

    As understood by most atheists, that is not so. Atheism is simply an absence of theistic belief, not a conviction of certainty about anything (though the religious love to hold to that strawman). In short, it is a-{theism}, not {a-the}-ism. And there is nothing to stop someone being both an atheist and an agnostic (the former is about lack of belief, the latter about lack of knowledge), indeed the vast majority of atheists are also technically agnostic.

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  24. Philosophizing I see simply as a form of meta-thinking. Meta-thinking about mathematics and the scientific disciplines (and other disciplines, such as history) is done as a matter of course by practitioners of those disciplines

    Here, here! One doesn’t need philosophers to do philosophy, nor to do it well. Indeed many scientists are much better at doing “philosophy of science” than most “philosophers of science” are.

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  25. Coel,
    Indeed many scientists are much better at doing “philosophy of science” than most “philosophers of science” are

    I would love to see you demonstrate the truth of that statement 🙂

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  26. Needless to say, I profoundly disagree with Mark’s take on philosophy — but the fact that I published it just goes to show you I open minded and ecumenical I am… 😉

    Seriously, here are a few scattered reasons for my disagreement. First off, Mark’s critique seems to be mostly aimed at academic philosophy, not the practicing of philosophizing per se. Fine, and I agree that there is quite a bit to be criticized here. But people seem to labor under the misguided impression that irrelevant “academic” discussions (in the pejorative sense of the term) happen only in philosophy. Not so. They abound pretty much everywhere, from the humanities to the sciences (where they cost a lot more, I might add!). There are several reasons for this, some good, some not. One good reason is that if you want to make progress in a field of inquiry your best bet probably is to let smart people who are interested in it do what they like (within limits) and see what happens. One bad reason is the increasingly bean counting nature of the academy — largely imposed by administrators and state legislators, I might add — so that people are forced into publishing as often as possible, regardless of how irrelevant their contributions may be. Again, though, this happens everywhere, not just in philosophy.

    Mark mentions some kind of academic philosophical status quo. Not sure where he sees that. Every time I participate to a meeting of professional philosophers I see a lot of discussions, disagreements, and intellectually honest debate. The field is very dynamic, and there is no such thing as a status quo.

    Then there is the usual complaint about the alleged fact that — “unlike in science” — nothing in philosophy is ever settled. The first thing to say about this is that it is wrongheaded to compare philosophy to science. They are different fields, with different methods, different questions, and different standards. And it is simply false that nothing ever gets settled in philosophy. Just to pick on one recent example, it is now acknowledged by epistemologists that Gettier-type cases do constitute a problem for the Platonic view of knowledge as justified true belief. There are many more examples, several of which are discussed in my forthcoming book on the progress of philosophy, forthcoming as soon as I can manage to stop doing this and finish writing the last chapter, that is.

    I just don’t by Mark’s connection between philosophy and religion, at all. Even assuming that Duhem’s personal religious beliefs motivated him, his arguments stand or fall on their own. And I for one have always read them without even knowing of his religious propensities. They are irrelevant. And it’s not like scientists don’t have religious influences (Galileo, Newton, Francis Collins) or subscribe to one ideology or another (Stephen Jay Gould was a Marxist, so what?).

    Mark says: “More radical critiques of philosophical practice have, of course, been made. By Nietzsche, for example. Or Wittgenstein. Or Heidegger. Or Richard Rorty.” ALL philosophers. All doing meta-philosophy, which is a type of philosophy.

    Mark also thinks that metaphysics and epistemology are particularly problematic. I’ve said this before, but I find — for instance — Ladyman and Ross’ project for a naturalized metaphysics compelling and constructive. And I have learned a lot about personal identity, time, and other issues by reading analytic metaphysicians. And I have no idea what Mark finds objectionable about epistemology.

    He doesn’t think that normative ethics can function as a rigorous intellectual discipline, which is odd considering that it is populated by intellectually very rigorous folks, including but not limited to J.L. Mackie, John Rawls, Peter Singer, Michael Sandel, Anthony Appiah, Judith Butler, Martha Nassbaum, Ronald Dworkin, Philippa Foot, Christine Korsgaard, Alasdair Macintyre, Robert Nozick, Derek Parfit, Bernard Williams, and many, many others.

    Marks keep complaining about the alleged fact that philosophy lacks coherence as a discipline. What would that look like, exactly? Philosophy is a broad umbrella that includes everything from ethics to aesthetics, metaphysics to epistemology, and an increasing number of “philosophies of.” On top of which, it is by its nature a meta-discipline — an inquiry into other inquiries (and into itself). What would “coherence” mean, in this context?

    And no, logic is not a branch of math. It is taught in Philosophy departments and it is mostly carried on by philosophers. But it is definitely an area of philosophy where there is much success and much interdisciplinary interaction. Are we getting to the point of simply assuming that if X is successful and works well then X cannot possibly be philosophy?

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  27. Hi Massimo,

    It does you credit that you published this article, particularly on the heels of the debate following Neil deGrasse Tyson’s comments.

    I have no strong views either way. Although I do think your argument is compelling, I still lean towards thinking that the problems you acknowledge with academia in general may be slightly worse in philosophy (although I have more time for philosophy than many of the other humanities).

    To criticise a couple of your points in particular…

    The field is very dynamic, and there is no such thing as a status quo.

    I think it depends on what scale you’re looking at. I think at a reasonable scale, it is clear that there is a status quo. Status quo just means the way things are, after alll. So the status quo by your account includes lively intellectually honest debate. Mark sees problems with the status quo. Either way, it seems silly (and unnecessary) to argue that there is no status quo at all.

    And no, logic is not a branch of math.

    I disagree. I think it can be seen as a branch of math, and also as a branch of philosophy. I also think math can be seen as a branch of either philosophy or of logic. In my view, there is no right way to organise these disciplines. There does not have to be a strict hierarchy anyway: we are not doing a cladistic analysis of a bunch of related biological species. These are related areas with some overlap and I don’t see the point in arguing about which is a branch of which.

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  28. Massimo, I’m totally with you, and Daniel Estrada, in criticizing Mark’s religion-philosophy link. Among philosophers he … er, somehow??? … managed to “skip” is the one pictured in my icon, Hume. Among the ancients, Democritus was certainly not religious, nor was Epicurus, at least not how we’d understand religion.
    Back to more modern times. Before Hume, he also skips Hobbes. Later on, he performs well … a mental elision at best, by claiming that, well: “Both the Vienna Circle and the Polish logicians of the early-to-mid-20th century flourished in the context of broader cultures in which traditional religious beliefs and practices jostled with newer forms of spirituality and mysticism.”
    Mark, if that’s the case, I and every atheist who opens his mouth to a religious person is religious.
    And, otherwise, I guess I applaud Massimo in some way for posting this, but, in other ways, I don’t. At the least, I doubt I’ll read Mr. English again, should Massimo post another piece of similar vein here.

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  29. DM, it is your definition of “status quo” that seems silly to me. Of course if one is free to choose whatever scale then everything is a status quo. So what? As for logic and math, of course one can be seen as branch of the other. But that is simply not the actual case in actual academic departments. That’s why my department, not math, teaches logic at my college.

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  30. As for logic and math, of course one can be seen as branch of the other. But that is simply not the actual case in actual academic departments. That’s why my department, not math, teaches logic at my college.

    Is that generally the case in the US?. It is certainly not the case in Australia. At the University I went to logic was taught by the maths department, first as part of the Discrete Mathematics course and then subsequently as separate subjects.

    Logic is certainly necessary for all maths students as each new theorem comes with a proof which the students have to understand and maths students are normally expected to come up with at least one or two proofs by themselves.

    And if the philosophy department are really teaching things like model theory for first order logic, automated proofs and so on then it would seem like the philosophy department are, in effect, teaching maths.

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  31. Schroedinger’s What is Life?, Turing’s Patterns of Chemical Morphogenesis, Monod’s Chance and Necessity or Ghiselin’s Radical Solution to the Species Problem really do strike me as excellent examples of superior meta-thinking in biology by non-philosophers, even if one must reject some then, or all. Are there comparable contributions by philosophers of biology? I believe that Wilson’s Sociobiology or Dawkins’ Selfish Gene have had a deleterious effect on public understanding, notably the scandal of evolutionary psychology.. But I can’t really think that the contributions of Kitcher or Sober or Ruse or Piglucci have had much success in clarifying understanding. Sadly the only contribution to philosophy to this I can think of is the discovery of Lewontin’s fallacy.

    In the philosophy of science, is it really so obvious that the contributions of Auguste Comte and William Whewell and Edmund Gettier are really so much greater than those of Henri Poincare and Ernst Mach and Irving Langmuir? Far and away the most influential philosophy of science is Karl Popper and Thomas Kuhn. On the face of it the case against academic philosophy of science is powerful. If you have to force a reading to salvage Kuhn,for instance, the goal of clarification is lost.

    By the way, I think the supposed analogous argument applied to Newton is a straw man. I think a correct analogy to Newton would run more like this: “Newton, as a devout believer, incorporated into his scientific analysis a kind of God’s eye view, in the form of absolute space. Further, influenced by Calvinistic notions of double predestination, as well as the spread of clocks and other mechanically causal devices, Newton was greatly intrigued with a physical determinism. This was most notable in his effort to calculate the stability of the solar system. In this case, he concluded the solar system was not stable and leaped to the further conclusion that God must be actively intervening. If science were to commit itself to absolute space or the universality of efficient causes a la Newton, it would be dead, a “physico-theology” unable to accomplish any scientific task of importance.” No, I do not think it is obvious that the post’s logic fails.

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  32. Hi Massimo,

    On status quo, you’re missing the point.

    Of course if one is free to choose whatever scale then everything is a status quo. So what?

    So nothing. The fact that there is a status quo is not the criticism. The criticism is that there is something amiss with the status quo, (or more precisely, Mark was saying that he can recognise that there is value in philosophy without being committed to the status quo).

    I also echo Robin’s comments that which department teaches what doesn’t bear very much on it. In my university, logic was also taught by the mathematics department. Who cares? The point is not to get hung up on what category belongs to what because there’s more than one way to look at it.

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  33. Hi Coel,

    I’m with Aravis, labnut and Massimo on this one, I’m afraid.

    You might find the reflections of many scientists to be more interesting (and perhaps with good reason, even), but philosophers of science are the ones who get to judge what is considered good philosophy of science, whether you put the term in scare quotes or not.

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  34. Democritus and Epicurus were black sheep of philosophy and I don’t think it was because they didn’t offend the conventional, which included the large majority of philosophers. They were so little esteemed by philosophers their writings barely survived. Were it not for the inordinate popularity of Lucretius…

    Hobbes personally may have been a disbeliever but was a supporter of religion. Such men are found in churches today. Pending my personal reading of Hume’s A History of England, I will venture to say only that I strongly suspect that an established church was far better than religious controversy in Hume’s eyes. I do not count this as unreligion, however scandalous it might have been to his private circle.

    Perhaps we have discovered a new fallacy here? Where something is redefined into something simple, black and white and objectionable, then condemned, then everything else it is is tacitly forgiven. Straw scapegoat fallacy perhaps?

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  35. (I guess I am late to the party, and Massimo has already extensively commented. Still, from the POV of the so-called lay person . . .)

    Mark, unlike you, I don’t have an advanced degree in philosophy and can’t speak directly “about the nature and role of academic philosophy today.” I have read many articles in the last couple of years, however, that share your frustrations. Here, in the U.S., I might add that these concerns are broadly expressed regarding education in general and are not limited to higher education.

    You were clear that your post should not be taken as an attempt to “prove or demonstrate anything,” but you did make some assertions such as this:

    “One of problems with philosophy is that — unlike in science — virtually nothing within the discipline is ever definitively resolved.”

    There are at least a couple of concerns that I have with your post. The first relates to the oft-repeated, and I believe implicit, assumption that philosophy ought to be more like science, meaning, I presume, that it should solve problems like science does and–horrors, I hate this phrase– “make progress,” as if a forward step toward the edge of a cliff were progress too. And if a bystander were to shout, “Watch your step!” would this admonishment be philosophic or scientific? In this way, philosophy suggests something about focus. Problems need not be solved but rather are explored in philosophic inquiry to identify their ramifications as well as the ramifications of potential solutions. This to me seems both productive and worthwhile. In a way, you seem to agree, perhaps, by way of suggesting that it has been so historically successful that it has in effect become self-marginalizing. There is an argument there, but not one that renders philosophy departments to be either irrelevant or vestigial in my opinion.

    The second relates to your apparent reservation that philosophic inquiry is “strangely dependent” on religious thinking and concerns. Oddly enough, you provide many historical examples that mitigate this concern. But then you take a bizarrely conspiratorial tone and suggest that academic philosophy “is cleverly exploited by churches (and other ideological groupings for that matter).” Frankly, this is a naive position. All departments in colleges and universities are subjected to such influences. For that matter, so are public libraries, and some would include the Supreme Court of the U.S.A. And I might add many believe the academic sciences and the medical profession are puppets of big business and big government. To my mind, you have created a dilemma for yourself with this turn in the tone of your post. If in fact philosophy departments are being disbanded for lack of relevance to modern day concerns, why would any ideological group feel it necessary to exert an influence on them?

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  36. Unfortunately, the talk of “logic” as if it is a single, unified discipline is making this discussion confusing.

    Some “logic” (proof theory, model theory, recursion theory, set theory) is straight-up mathematics and is often found in math departments, although it is sometimes taught in philosophy departments too because some of the results are relevant to the philosophy of math (e.g., consistency proofs, independence proofs, lowenheim-skolem theorem, etc.)

    Some “logic” is basically formal semantics and can be found in linguistics, computer science, and philosophy courses (where it relates to philosophy of language and/or mind).

    Some “logic” (e.g., epistemic or alethic modal logic) is basically just epistemology or metaphysics but done with the aid of symbols (such as Tim Williamson’s work).

    Some “logic” comes in the form of rational choice/decision theory, and can be found in philosophy as well as economics and statistics departments.

    Incidentally, if there is any progress in philosophy, surely one example would be the widespread recognition of the difficulty of articulating (in any philosophically interesting way) the sense in which mathematics is “a branch of logic”, so I am a bit surprised to see Massimo say that “of course” one could view math as being a branch of logic. Conversely, many of the kinds of logic mentioned above aren’t remotely mathematics (e.g., David Kaplan’s work on the logic of indexicals.)

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  37. Robin wrote: “I would suggest that philosophy thrives more in a broader environment of scientific and mathematical curiosity. There have been large swathes of time when religion held the stage and philosophy was nowhere to be seen – the Dark Ages for example.”

    Yes, but the suggestion I am putting forward is that philosophy will not thrive in the absence of religion, not that it necessarily thrives in the presence of religion.

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  38. Mr. Gadfly, you seem to be misreading my basic claims. I acknowledge that many philosophers are non-religious, but am suggesting that the discipline may be parasitic on religion. The case of Hume (who spent much of his time talking about religion) fits in perfectly with my thesis.

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